
Photo provided by JT Thario
Interview by Debbie Stevens
When I first spoke with John Thario of “Electric Sandbox” it was during a review of his work for another magazine. That was almost one year ago. I decided it was time we caught up!
Today, John “JT” Thario, lead guitarist of the band; Electric Sandbox and producer for Ruff Track productions, has much taking place, on and off the stage!
FSM: Hi John, great to finally hook up! Please share with our FSM readers, a little bit of your background, and how the music became such a big part of your life.
JT: Ahh, yes it is!…please call me JT, all my friends do!
WOW, Deb! First I want to thank you & your staff for the privilege to talk music shop with you guys and all the FSM readers..
I gotta tell you, a funny thing happened the other day. I went to our local grocery store, bought a handful of items and used my club card for a bit of a discount. Everything I purchased was random, you know…I’ll take that, and my son could use this. ANY way, true story, we scanned the stuff and swiped my club card. My discount was $7.77. No kidding!
Holy kit-n’-caboodle, I swear my cashier said “That doesn’t happen very often, You should buy a lottery ticket!” So I did! ‘Still haven’t check the numbers, but I’m sitting here talking to you, now how cool is that?!~
I would say the music bug hit me pretty young. Eventually I found the guitar and once I found my instrument that was it! I think I was about, maybe, 10 or so. Anyway, that summer a family friend by the name of Tom Jones, (no, not that one, hahahaha), he & his wife would play country music at a friend’s garage in Brighton, Michigan on Friday and Saturday nights, so I hung around to listen. ‘No way was I off running around with the other kids that summer, no way in hell. I was told earlier in life Tom had a promising career in Nashville and the bottle got him, he was a fantastic guitar player & singer.
So I would sit and listen, sometimes til’ 1-2 in morning. I was drawn to the music, even moved by it. Eventually, Tom noticed I was paying attention and showed me a few chords. From then on I couldn’t put it down. It didn’t come easy then and I still have to work at even today.
I’ve been very lucky to meet and work with some great people, I really mean that, very lucky. To name a few, I’ve opened for Lover Boy, Quiet Riot, Pat Travers, Molly Hatchet and Mocking Bird.
I would also on stage jam with “Friction” every time I went to the Philippine’s. I’ve performed, from my native Michigan to Northern California, Yokosuka & Tokyo, Japan, as well as the Philippines Islands. ‘Even spent a bit of time in Perth, Australia many moons ago. ‘Loved Perth by the way, awesome people!, awesome country!
FSM: What have you been up to since we last spoke?
JT: I’ve been working on getting my studio up and rolling, doing pre-production work with my band on our new album, which will include songs like “Southern Spell”, “Missing You”, “Don’t Tread on Me”, “Pack Your Bags” “Wailing women” and several others.
I’ve also been producing some local talent, like a metal band out of San Mateo, “Interseed”, & I’m doing a project later in the year with guitarist Jason Wolfe of “A Thousand Kingdoms”. Jason is an incredible guitarist.
In addition, I’m producing a sound bite for a local chiropractor’s health seminar with singer/songwriter Toby Zambetti. ‘Plus now and then I hit the clubs when I hear a buzz about a band…and I’m always writing.
I’m always looking for artists to produce and record! …And songs to publish. Oh, and I ran into an awesome songwriter Mike Kline at a New Year’s Eve party in the mountains of Santa Cruz. I was floored by a song about Freedom he wrote and performed with just an acoustic guitar and his voice over a fire. We started recording that one just the other day.
FSM: Who wrote the lyrics for songs such as “The Wizard”, “Over and Over”, and my personal favorite; “Soft Slow and Easy”?
JT: Well, a true story teller. ‘A former, sorry to say, band mate named Al VanDeVan, along with some minor tweaks and suggestions from me.
Al also does the harmonica parts and sings lead vocals on those songs.
I almost always like to work with a singer/songwriter who can tell a story, paint a picture. You know, make you feel something, move ya! “Soft, Slow and Easy” is a favorite of mine as well. My Dad loved it!…and I miss him.
FSM: What other forces do you feel influenced the words and your music?
JT: World events, life events and emotions. It’s no secret, I’m a big fan of Paul Rodgers of Bad Co., as well Free, Brian May of Queen, Joe Perry, Brad Witford, Aerosmith, Ted Nugent, Alex Lifeson and early Rush. Also Southern rock like Skynard and Molly Hatchet…they have all influenced my playing.
And when you’re playing in a band, stuff happens!…drama, people getting together, breaking up, making up, life & death… “Hey Lord” is a about the status of the world today and what I would like to do to help make it better.
“Over and Over” is about love and how it’s never easy….the bad fight and making up, the guilt in your head you feel from a misunderstanding.
“The Wizard” is about a mystical man searching for love. The guitar gliss part(s) in that song are meant to reflect like lightning bolts in the horizon with a thunderous, almost tribal, sound in the turnaround. The guitar solo is one of my favorites. ‘Not sure where that one came from, it just showed up in the recording studio…..when we recorded it.
The story behind “Soft, Slow and Easy” is that there was a missing child reported one night, everyone was looking for her. We were on a break at our studio, we walked back into the room a bit bummed…we all have children. The chords, melody, lyrics all came pouring out as a band..
We wrote it in maybe 5-10 minutes. It’s about childhood innocence and remembering, …reflecting on being a kid growing up. I think we all have good and tough memories of our childhood. The kids in the background on the breakdown after the guitar solo are real, they’re Al’s kids!
FSM: There’s an immense quantity of talented artists surfacing all the time across the Internet, particularly MySpace. What method do you practice to remain active?
JT: Network, network, network. The talent pool is especially deep in the San Francisco Bay Area…I think it’s the weather, or in the water. Like many places around the world, it’s a magnet for talent.
MySpace, Sound click, ITunes and sites like them have completely changed the music business as we know it. The digital age of Pro Tools has done it, too. A very good project studio can be put together and produce incredible sounding music, if you work at it, for a lot less than a huge commercial studio. Although I think there will always be the demand for high-end studios, many have sadly fallen. With the software available today, the playing field is a lot more level. The trend now is for musicians and producers to build medium to high-end studios in their homes, here in my area, as well as in Nashville, LA etc. The internet allows you to work from anywhere in the world. You still need the background and knowledge, but with practice, you can do it.
FSM: As a musician and producer, have you had to set limits on the amount of time spent on each project? How do you balance this?
JT: Balance is tough for me, I must admit. Once I tear into something, get on that path, I like to finish the song’s parts planned for the day, then do a basic mix and live with it for a week or two on my IPod.
I find that when I leave the studio with something new, it’s a sense of accomplishment for the artist and myself. A couple of extra hours, sometimes, might yield you a surprise…what i like to call “studio magic”! ‘Getting something that wasn’t planned, but just happened, during the tracking session. I always like to push myself and the artist a bit
To be honest I don’t think most people really realize how much time can be involved in the recording process. Tracking is both demanding and rewarding, get that right! ‘Then you have all those sounds and textures to play with. The mixing is where the rest of the magic comes, and that’s the part I enjoy most!
On the flip side, I think you have to know when to say “when”. If things are not working, I take a break from it. ‘Move on and come back to it.
FSM: Looking back, would you say there is one pinnacle moment of your career, and how has it affected you?
JT: Ahh, wow. ‘To be honest it’s always been a leap of faith for me. A decision today reflects yesterday and hopefully brings something new and good tomorrow. The truth is there have been several pinnacle moments.
I recall as a kid, my guitar teacher, Ken Miller, was teaching me Rush songs from “All The World’s A Stage”. The cool thing was he worked part time for Pyramid Guitars doing guitar set-ups & mods in Deerborn, Michigan. Rush were clients. Ken invited me to tour the place and they had a room with a wall of Marshall stacks. At the main guitar station on the floor were yellow guitar cases with “Rush” painted in red. I said to Ken, “Is that really what I think it is?”, and he said “Yes, would you like to see them?”. I said, “Wow, heck yeah! ‘Could I?”
Being a young kid, the excitement of seeing and holding Geddy Lee’s Custom Fender Precision “blue teardrop” bass and Alex’s custom Pyramid guitar with Pyramid pick-ups was a thrill of a lifetime for me. (I believe there is a photo on the album cover of “All The World’s A Stage” of that bass). That experience inspired me to push myself as a guitar player. And, by the way, I had Pyramid pick-ups installed in my Gibson ES 335 the very next week.
Another moment would come years later. The decision to wait 6 months, for Producer / Mixer
Rob Beaton to be available to record the “Cover Your Trax” sessions.
That decision to work on pre production and gig more made the band tight very tight!,…we knew ABOUT 95% of what was going on tape, the other 5% was “studio magic”.
I believe when you find someone of his caliber that you can work with, and you respect their work and input, it’s worth the wait! I don’t believe the record would have sounded like it does without
Rob Beaton’s talent, I consider him a mentor and a friend!
He did ESPN’s monday night football theam, and does alot of mastering today in LA.
Another pinnacle example was having to raise the capital to finish the record, which ran over budget. We found our Angel! Vicki Ayers from Virginia, I could write a short story on how that came about…
And then, again, the first time a friend called me to say congrads, I heard “Soft, Slow and Easy” on the radio and I loved it! Then later that week on the way to a gig in Monterey, we heard “Soft, Slow and Easy” on K-ROCK 92.7 radio in rotation promoting our show. We pulled over and jumped around on the side of the freeway, yelling at the top of our lungs, “Yes, YES!” I was high. We were all very high with emotion, very proud! For the first time I really realized what was possible. Hearing your music on the radio is validation!
FSM: What separates “Electric Sandbox” from other bands of similar genre?
JT: Wow, there is a lot of talent out there! I’m not sure that we are all that separate to be honest, we are a rock band. We have our sound, our style. Our songs are certainly different, we always been humble and approachable. I don’t like to impose rules on the music in the band. If the song does well live and we like playing it, we record it! When I think of the many popular songs today and yesterday that almost didn’t make the cut or get recorded, I’m reminded again “no rules”!
FSM: What do you think is the biggest hurdle for those just starting out, and what advice would you offer them?
JT: The bottom line is songs, you need great songs. Then getting noticed in a meaningful way. We have all heard it said…Every major city has hundreds, of bands all looking for the same thing…the big break!
Most never get it because they give up too soon.
If you’re good, selling a few thousand cd’s will make you better and much more marketable.. I recommend making the highest quality record you can afford and work it. Get your business-house in order. Johnny Cash did, Elvis did, many, many others did, you are not alone! That’s why I say songs, songs, songs. ‘And a tight, interesting live show. Oh, and never forget where you came from…you might have to go back!
FSM: The availability of downloading songs has changed the way in which many purchase their music today. How has this process worked for you as an artist and producer?
JT: It’s a complete game-changer. We are talking today because of the internet!
FSM: Any special events we should know about?
JT: “Guide Dogs ForThe Blind” in July for sure, plus TBA record release party when the new album is done, then will see what happens next….
FSM: Are you writing any new songs?
JT: Yes, all the time…
FSM: What’s next for “Electric Sandbox”? Any new albums and where can our FSM readers locate?
JT: ESB has evolved once again and we are in the process of recording now. The new album “release date TBA”, will feature Carolyn Thorn on lead vocals and will include songs like, “Southern Spell”, “Missing You”, “Don’t Tread On Me” and “Pack Your Bags”…plus several more surprises we are deciding on now. The new album will be driving blues-based rock & roll with smoking guitars, a touch of southern rock vibe and a few surprises.
I’m blessed once again to have great musicians… Carolyn Thorn on vocals, Milt Verdakis with me on guitars adding a new dimension, and our rhythm section Bill Brisko on Bass, Brian Breckenridge on Drums.
I recently released the single from the freedom x sessions”Asylum of Nightmares” on soundclick. This song was never released and I thought SURE, put it out.
It’s from the very early days of the band and features Vince Carroza on vocals, Shawn Sharpe on bass, John Galvan on drums, who also plays on all the “Cover Your Trax” sessions, plus myself doing the guitar work. Check it out!
You can also get your favorite “Soft, Slow and Easy” plus “Satisfy” as singles from the “Cover Your Trax” album at http://www.soundclick.com/electricsandbox
I plan to re-release the whole album as a digital download on CD Baby and ITunes by the end of Febuary 09, along with other unreleased material.
FSM: Finally John, please share your website details.
http://www.myspace.com/rufftrackproductions is my studio.
The new line up is at:
http://www.myspace.com/electricsandbox
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